[lbo-talk] Workers of Europe unite, you've only Euro chains to lose

[Wojtek S]

You know, Shane, I concede you are pretty good at making semantic
arguments, but I do not consider them very useful.  You can call it
"nationalism"  "shit on a stick" or whatever as far as I am concerned.

 What interests me is not how it is called, but what social forces are
behind it and who benefits.

Wojtek

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> wrote:
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> On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Wojtek S wrote:
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>> Marv: " It also seems from here that the opposition to the
>> anti-democratic "European Union" is not all or mostly nationalist, and
>> even among those workers who present themselves as such, nationalism -
>> as someone once put it - is but the "envelope" of their social (class)
>> consciousness."
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>> [WS:] Is it not what killed the Second International or is a driving
>> force of the opposition to immigrants? Nationalism seems more of paper
>> weight that quashes workers' consciousness than envelope that carries
>> it.
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> Is it "nationalism" to resist the diktats of authoritarian technocrats
> (should they be called  Das Vierte Reich or Die Neue Neue Ordnung) ?
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> Shane Mage
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> "Thunderbolt steers all things." Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
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