[lbo-talk] James McMurtry - "We can't make it here"??

[Miles Jackson]

On 7/4/2011 11:04 PM, SA wrote:
> On 7/5/2011 1:10 AM, Mike Beggs wrote:
>
>> Surely part of the answer is that the values we inherit from our
>> social environment do not fit together into a coherent, consistent
>> whole, but conflict with one another.
>
> You're right about this - but it's here that you and Miles diverge.
>
> For Miles, our values are the product of capitalist social relations 
> -- therefore they are essentially system-supporting (i.e. 
> capitalism-supporting) values. That's reason #1 why we shouldn't 
> appeal to values.

Actually, that's exactly where we agree.  I emphatically reject the idea 
that all values are the direct product of capitalist social relations, 
but thanks for playing!

Miles