The original social-dem SDS the community organizing SDS (NCUP, Tom Hayden) budding marxist SDS (Carl Oglesby, Carl Davidson [CD still going strong, I talked to him a couple of weeks ago]) factionalization -- the Weathermen, RYM, RYMII, PLP, etc. the PLP-SDS
Probably a few others in between the start and the faction period; I was last stage SDS, albeit briefly
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, shag carpet bomb <shag at cleandraws.com>wrote:
> what axe are you honing now?
>
> given the wealth of experience on this list - people who were actually
> there - i kinda wanted some reflections on the document. What Max had
> to say was interesting... the document was meaningless later as the
> group changed its focus. That would seem kind of obvious to me. On the
> other hand, the Declaration of Independence resonates. Combahee River
> Collective Statement still resonantes, IYAM. That shit just never gets
> old. But Port Huron... holeee Christ. I felt like I was transported
> back to the days when, before I could get to college, I would read
> stuff on my own. I'd have all these musty paper backs from popular
> intellectuals of the 50s and 60s: Reisman, C Wright Mills, AJ Muste,
> Daniel Bell. The language of Port Huron was so rooted in the
> terminology and style of writing so endemic at the time - talk of
> alienation, gray conformity, loss of community, robotic lives, etc.
>
> is there something here I should know, such as 'don't criticize SDS or
> people will get up in your grill about it?" LOL
>
> > Shag, you know this better than many on this list, but you're
> > forgetting
> > it in this post: Sometimes what you DO speaks loudly enough that it
> > really doesn't matter what you say. I suspect _all_ beginnings of left
> > movements are of this sort. SDS (formerly a sorLIDt of attachement to
> > Lid, revoked its rule that members of "totalitarian" parties could not
> > belong. BANG! That did it. Who cares what sort of manifesto went with
> > it.
> >
> > Carrol
> >
> > On 10/18/2011 8:34 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote:
> >>
> >> reading about SDS in Freedom is an Endless Meeting so I looked up
> >> the
> >> Port Huron statement which I hadn't read since 1989!
> >>
> >> Wow. I always thought that sucker was radical. It was pretty damn
> >> tame
> >> - considering. And holee fuckliotta, be glad, be vewy vewy glad,
> >> none
> >> of this has been issued from OWS. What a total drag to read. I
> >> vaguely
> >> recall that it was inspiring when I read it(what was obviously an
> >> excerpt. Oh, the joy of a well-edited document!). But it is so... so
> >> written by a college junior or something. Arrrrgh!
> >>
> >> Anyway, in the book Polletta is talking about how, during the
> >> drafting
> >> of the statement, Hayden and Michael Harrington duked it out and got
> >> in a heated battle over their position on communism. I learn here
> >> that
> >> the problem with the old Left, according tot he New left, was its
> >> anti-communism.
> >>
> >> What? Really? I had never heard that one - that the Old left was
> >> anti-communist or that the New Left criticized them for it.
> >>
> >
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