At this point, some obvious discussion of demands in terms of where the world is now would interest me a lot more than barter and urban farming, though they are good things.
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> This is nonsense. Serious nonsense. I agree that localists are a bother --
> but if you want to engage in mass politic today you have to treat them in a
> civil fashion. It's really stupid just to sneer at theem like this. Really
> stupid and fucking amateurish. You have to work around them, talk patiently
> with peole who are not localists but are attracted, etc. Same with
> anarchists. Same with anyone you disagree with. There is always a tangle of
> relationships and if you blunder along in this stupid amateurish sneering
> you will be breakign unity with people that you mostly agree with.
>
> Carrol
>
>
> On 10/21/2011 12:26 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote:
>
>> Not a single word about the tens of millions of unemployed and
>> underemployed, the tens of millions without health insurance, and the
>> tens of millions in poverty. Instead, we read about bartering, urban
>> farming, and charities. Amazing. Doug
>>
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>> Yet, I am watching this morning (9:50pdt):
>>
>> http://www.livestream.com/**occupynyc<http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc>
>>
>> ...which seems to be heating up.
>>
>> Looking around again:
>>
>> Q: Hi, last night I found out that we have a Demands group. I’ve been
>> meaning to say this, that I think the word “demands” is for terrorist
>> groups. We should be working on solutions, as in the Open Source group,
>> Visions & Goals, and in this group. I’d love to propose that we stop
>> making demands. It has failed us the last 100 years.
>>
>> Point of Information: Very early on, this General Assembly agreed that
>> we would make no demands. So before demands are made, that agreement
>> would have to be examined.
>>
>> http://www.nycga.net/2011/10/**19/764/#more-764<http://www.nycga.net/2011/10/19/764/#more-764>
>>
>> So I think I get what's going on. Open Source group, Visions and Goals
>> v. Terrorist group Demands? Nice framing.
>>
>> Comment. The visions and goals group is either very new to
>> demonstrations or have somekind of non-political ideals they have cooked
>> up out of thin air. I'd suggest they attended a few of Julio's classes
>> if he is still giving them. And then send a contingent over to CUNY
>> schools and talk to students.
>>
>> CG
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