Look, I am in no way trying to minimize what an ass Yishai is, and he is still saying "us white people," which is absurd because many Israelis wouldn't put him in that category and many Jewish Israelis are not white....so who the hell is the "us" he is talking about....
but the translation in Reuters is quite bad. In fact, you would use the word "Afilu" if it was the way it was translated in Reuters and not "Beechlal lo," which is what he says.
In Hebrew it is quite clear that he is saying that they (these immigrants) think that “we have no right to be here, AT ALL."
The "AT ALL" part is the "Beechlal lo".
They also mistranslate another word...but it isn't really relevant to go into.
Bryan
-----Original Message----- From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org] On Behalf Of Gar Lipow Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 00:45 To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Maybe Zionists should rethink their new honesty-is-the-best-policy policy
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Bryan Atinsky <bryan at alt-info.org> wrote:
> Actually, on closer reading, though Eli Yishai is still a disgusting
> person, I DON'T think that is the appropriate translation of what he
> was saying (and he says some other putrid accusations in the article,
> for instance about African immigrants and AIDS).
>
> He says: "Most of the people that come here are Muslims who think that
> the country in no way belongs to us, the white people."
If the above is a reasonable translation then that is pretty damn close.
> Or you could translate it as: "who think that the country doesn't
> belong to us at all..."
>
This 2nd translation is NOt close. But this 2nd translation implies he did not mention color. But maybe in Hebrew there is more ambiguity than there would be in English
>
> But he doesn't say: "do not even believe that this country belongs to
> us, the white man"
>
> There IS a significant difference.
>
>
> Bryan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org
> [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
> On Behalf Of Bryan Atinsky
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 22:38
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Maybe Zionists should rethink their new
> honesty-is-the-best-policy policy
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> Yah, I double checked the original Hebrew in the Ma'ariv interview and
> he really said exactly that. This from a man of Tunisian heritage in a
> Mizrahi political party...the history of the Israeli establishment's
> racism against the Mizrahim must be clear to him on some level. the
> irony of his statement would be humorous if it wasn't such a disgustingly
sad context.
>
> Bryan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 3, 2012, at 16:37, Joseph Catron <jncatron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country
> > belongs to us, to the white man," says the apartheid regime's friggin'
> > interior minister.
> >
> > http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-enacts-law-allowing-auth
> > or
> > ities-to-detain-illegal-migrants-for-up-to-3-years-1.434127
> > http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/06/03/uk-israel-immigrants-idUKBR
> > E8
> > 520DX20120603
> >
> > I understand Haaretz's motivation for burying the quote, unremarked,
> > in a late paragraph, but how the #&^! does Reuters get away with
> > doing
> the same?
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