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[Wojtek S]

RE. 1  No.  The evidence is the number of people imprisoned on bogus
charges or disappeared.  You have to show this this is happening, rather
than me that it is not.
RE 2. Frisking is not framing if there is probable cause.  Collusion is
illegal and the fact that you read about in press means that these judges
are caught and prosecuted.  But more importantly, individual corruption is
not the same as systemic corruption.
RE 3. What the mortgage fraudsters did was not illegal.  Blame the legal
system, not the administration.  So far the only scandals about this
administration are bogus ones about IRS "targeting" and NSA spying.  That
is about it in 5 or so years.  That is pretty stellar in comparison to
others.
RE 4.  I am not cynical, I am just trying not be hysterical.  And the world
is full of potential - every gun owner is a potential killer, every man is
a potential rapist - yet the overwhelming majority of people do not kill or
rape others.
RE 5. I agree.  But that is a different argument - one about policy
priorities instead of one about potential and mostly bogus threats.

Wojtek

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM, JOANNA A. <123hop at comcast.net> wrote:


> 1. You see no evidence? What do you mean? You think this evidence is
> published in the local papers?
>
> 2. Cops don't frame people? You heard of stop and frisk? You heard of for
> profit prisons working with judges to fill beds?
>
> 3. The administration is scandal free? You've heard about to big to fail?
> You've heard about mortgage fraudsters walking free? You've heard about the
> revolving door between Wall St and the govt?
>
> 4. You are an extraordinarily cynical man; it surprises me that you don't
> see the potential for corruption and abuse in the data sweep business.
>
> 5. And then there's the question of expense; with schools and
> infrastructure falling apart, do you think the best the govt can do with
> money is to spend it on this sort of operation?
>
> Joanna
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> I see no evidence of what you are talking about.  Despite the vastly
> increased surveillance capacity, the instances of cops framing someone are
> rare, comparing to the past, which suggest demilitarization.  Unless
> someone is stupid enough to brag about their illegal activities using open
> communication channels, which is no different than shouting about in
> public.  They ask to be busted.
>
> It is the critics who are becoming hysterical.  this administration is
> remarkably scandal free, which is problem for the US political discourse
> that thrives on mud throwing and bombast.  If they cannot find real mud,
> they make it up.
>
> Sorry, but I did not intend to offend you, if I inadvertently did, I
> apologize.
>
> Wojtek
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM, JOANNA A. <123hop at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > This whole brouhaha about information gathering is nothing but
> libertarian
> > or conspiracist fantasies acting as useful idiots for Republican
> operatives
> > trying to manufacture some shit on Obama - swift boat captains redux if
> you
> > will.  As I sad before, I am not a big supporter of Obama, but I find
>  this
> > kind of tactics quite repulsive.
> > ---------
> >
> > I find this offensive. There is a body of law in place that says privacy
> > matters. There is a growing militarization of the state that is basically
> > granting it the right to do whatever it pleases, whenever it pleases, to
> > whomever it pleases.
> >
> > The wide and arbitrary sweep of information is part of that
> militarization.
> >
> > This is not libertarian and conspiracist fantasizing, this is reality.
> >
> > And some people are fighting back, which takes a lot of guts.
> >
> > Joanna
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>
>
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> Wojtek
>
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